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		<title>小学老师</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[上周和其他ECFS的senior Executives虽然在Summer Internships. Take your first step! 组织的方式和参与人数爆满消减International学生问题处理上有分歧。但还好，基本按照预期顺利进行下去。希望两个sponsors, Del... ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>上周和其他<a title="ecfs" href="http://ecfs.com.au" target="_blank">ECFS</a>的senior Executives虽然在<span style="font-size: medium;">Summer Internships. Take your first step! </span>组织的方式和参与人数爆满消减International学生问题处理上有分歧。但还好，基本按照预期顺利进行下去。希望两个sponsors, Deloite和EY也未受到大的影响。</p>
<p><a href="http://pg.nooidea.com/upload/2010/08/18/20100818105453-5fc29f7c.jpg"><img class="alignnone" title="auditing" src="http://pg.nooidea.com/upload/2010/08/18/20100818105453-5fc29f7c.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="375" /></a></p>
<p>也参加了几个Career Event，发现从<a title="big 4" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_%28audit_firms%29" target="_blank">Big Four</a> 到其他Professional Firms 再到Second-tier accounting firms，一直到local agent，都有一个共同点：他们都需要Auditors。</p>
<p>我开始也很想不明白。</p>
<p><span id="more-1807"></span>我先是不明白为什么学会计的毕业了大都跑去做审计了？然后我又不明白怎么这么多接受过Professional 知识的毕业生要去做这么个没技术含量的活？</p>
<p>有听过朋友在国内或香港的四大工作，多数是在德勤做Auditing。都说那个累啊，每天加班加点，几周有时也许都没有休息日的忙。基本上前两到三年都是拼了命的工作。房子里住的一个姐姐男朋友在HK做Auditing，大约90%的时间是在大陆的土地上飞。</p>
<p>今天和SkyConnect Consulting的Carol聊天，她也提到有雇主都直接在面试时候给你说明：</p>
<p>You must love traveling for your work.</p>
<p>这里说的traveling意思可以这么理解：这个周日打包好行李，然后后面的30天你就飞到内蒙工作了，也许你差不多刚结束那里的工作，老板的电话又会通知你，能不能直接现在过去上海一趟，有些工作要做。</p>
<p>甚至夸张的说，在香港，很多做Auditing的更本在公司都是没有办公桌子的。别提什么办公室，等你从junior升到senior了也不过是和十几个人一起用一大张长长的桌子（常被称作是 Butcher Desk）。</p>
<p>每人的桌子都被一排排的Lockr取代，被称作是Pegeon Hole。</p>
<p><a href="http://pg.nooidea.com/upload/2010/08/18/20100818105521-16f73d49.jpg"><img class="alignnone" title="pigeon hole" src="http://pg.nooidea.com/upload/2010/08/18/20100818105521-16f73d49.jpg" alt="" width="492" height="369" /></a></p>
<p>（类似于这样，但可能还要拥挤些在香港）</p>
<p>公司如果和你交流，会在你的Hole里面塞去信件。</p>
<p>是不是感觉很不爽？那就对了这么做就是让你感觉呆在公司不舒服，逼你去客户（clients）那里。自己找舒服地儿呆着。可往往你到了客户那，你也未必有什么好待遇，你问人家什么人家比你还清楚，处处为难，完了给你报表也就落在一条板凳上，再给你个小板凳，你工作吧&#8230;</p>
<p>感觉Auditing并不是非得需要多专业的人做的，读懂报表就行。费时，费力，还必须得人工一个一个的做，这和高价劳工没啥区别。我就在想为何Accounting甚至Finance的学生都要从Auditing做呢？</p>
<p>我的专业没修过Auditing的课，学会计ACCG340的朋友也许可以从专业角度给点提示。</p>
<p>不过我能想到的应该有三点：</p>
<p><span style="font-size: large;">一</span>是像我这样没学过Auditing在这瞎扯的该被骂。因为做过4年Auditing的和做1年的绝对不同，不论是对Fiancial Reporting的任何细节还是整个系统概念的理解绝对不会是一个层面的。这也就是为什么很多公司会直接去Auditing Sector挑Financial Controller。</p>
<p><span style="font-size: large;">二</span>是从Auiding本身出发，它基本应该是服务于三种人：Investor，Management(CEO)，Shareholder。它必定要提供准确真实的信息。不论对于潜在的投资者，公司本身的管理，还是公司的股东们，这些都是非常重要的。（再次声明学Auditing的可以随时向我开骂）故而公司要聘用上好专业人才做这些工作就也很有必要了。耗时，费力，人工成本，这些都是关键所在。反过来说，雇了个不着调的做，耗时，费力，人工成本，全部搭进去了，结果工作没做好，耽误的可就不是一个人的工资了。所以这里强调的就是专业素养，Professional Firms提供的就是这个。</p>
<p><span style="font-size: large;">三</span>个嘛，有点闲扯。都说大公司做人，小公司做事。我到觉得这个话换个主角说比较好。小人物做事，大人物做人。心态是最重要的，如果你只看到一个月后的薪水，如果你只觉得这工作乏味，还觉得你不应该做这份没有技术含量的工作。你也许是真得为了工作而工作。10年后你还是做的一样的东西。就算给你个高职位，也未必做的好。好好把基本打扎实，从做的工作里能积累经验，不断总结，每年都跳在一个新的层面上看同样的问题，看的长远。</p>
<p><span style="font-size: large;">最后</span>我想到了国内小学的老师，找不到教授来教，你也至少找些有教育素养的呀！</p>
<p>孩子们可都是祖国未来的花朵！</p>
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		<title>Interview Skills Workshop</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 09:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[学校的关怀是无微不至，学校的邮件系统上周六也全部把staff给换上了Gmail服务，VC （Steven Schwartz）也在博客继续了一篇“临摹”乔布斯Adobe繳文形式的文章，“Assessing the benefits of Gmail”。 学校... ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>学校的<a title="careerhub" href="http://www.careerhub.mq.edu.au/" target="_parent">关怀</a>是无微不至，学校的邮件系统上周六也全部把staff给换上了<a title="gmail mq" href="https://sites.google.com/a/imq.edu.au/gmailhelp/">Gmail服务</a>，VC （Steven Schwartz）也在博客继续了一篇“临摹”<a title="adobe jobs" href="http://tr.nooidea.com/thoughts-on-flash/" target="_blank">乔布斯Adobe繳文</a>形式的文章，“<a title="gmail benefits mq" href="http://www.vc.mq.edu.au/blog/2008/07/21/assessing-the-benefits-of-gmail/" target="_blank">Assessing the benefits of Gmail</a>”。</p>
<p>学校在这些方面确实很人性化，基本上很多东西都是online的，<a title="e student" href="https://student1.mq.edu.au/login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fDefault.aspx" target="_blank">选课</a>-缴费-选座位-<a title="myportal" href="https://my.mq.edu.au/" target="_blank">查收学校的Email</a>，Calendar，<a title="lib" href="http://www.lib.mq.edu.au/" target="_blank">图书馆</a>,当然还有先进的Blackboard系统，近乎所有的课堂资料，公告和老师的讲课的iLecture（可供不上课的同学使用的课堂音频视频档案，每周更新）。可以说是如果学校不要求有Tutorial的attendence我基本只需要第一次去学校的Orientation然后领张student ID,就基本不需要去学校都可以学习，然后Final时参加考试即可 ：）</p>
<p>最近通过学校的Email推送系统，去<a title="student service" href="http://www.international.mq.edu.au/studentservices" target="_blank">student service</a>注册预定了几个Interview Skills workshop，可以了解些要注意的文化习俗和技巧。</p>
<p>赶得不巧，赶在Final考事前复习阶段这周要去两个Workshop，不过还好啦，总共抽出来3个小时时间。周一结束了一个，收获还是有的，为了保证能让大家有足够的空间，周一的workshop限制在25人，当天有4个Local学生，其余全部International。</p>
<p>下面做了几点总结，我个人觉得比较新鲜或者会有些用的：</p>
<ul>
<li>Brainstorm at least six questions that you would like to ask when you are asked to ask during the interview.</li>
<li>Contact the person of reference before you go for the interview!!</li>
<li>Dress for sucess! Wear clothes that are apporpriate to the work environment you wish to enter. Err on the side of caution- dark suits, ties, skirts, pantyhose, and muted perfume/ aftershave and jewellery.</li>
<li>First impression are important- shake hands firmly, make eye contact and smile! (Note: sometime do an<a title="equal handshake" href="http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-give-a-great-handshake" target="_blank"> equal handshake</a>)</li>
<li>Steer your body to the person who ask you question.</li>
<li>Open palm, this is the only guesture I find in the card-match game that has a postive feeling&#8230;</li>
<li>Try to match your voice.</li>
<li>Never ask about sallary, benefits until subjects are raised by the employer.</li>
<li><a title="star" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situation,_Task,_Action,_Result" target="_blank">Star Technique</a>: Situation- Task- Action- Result. Focus 60% on  Action, 20% on Task, and 10% equally on Situation and Result.</li>
<li><a title="linkme" href="http://www.linkme.com" target="_blank">linkMe.com</a></li>
<li><a title="bemyinterviewer.co.uk" href="bemyinterviewer.co.uk" target="_blank">www.bemyinterviewer.co.uk</a></li>
<li>Student Service at Lincion building provide Mock interview before you going for the real one <img src='http://www.nooidea.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>
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<p>大家有经验的多多分享啊！！！</p>
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		<title>Woking like a DOG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[{ 7:00AM ~ 10:30PM } 上面的状态估计是我随时有超过10分钟空闲时间的状态。。。 确实自从上周末开始，就每天持续这样的工作状态，平时9点到下午6点上班，赶车回家7点去图书馆给下几届童鞋们... ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino;"><span style="font-size: large;">{ 7:00AM ~ 10:30PM }</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino;"><span style="font-size: large;"><img class="alignnone" title="sleeping dog" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2746/4296959389_28a33a2ca0_o.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="337" /></span></span></span><br />
上面的状态估计是我随时有超过10分钟空闲时间的状态。。。</p>
<p>确实自从上周末开始，就每天持续这样的工作状态，平时9点到下午6点上班，赶车回家7点去图书馆给下几届童鞋们补习功课。周末则早7点至下午6点工作，晚上继续平时的状态&#8230;好不容易休息2天，则全天贡献给童鞋们&#8230;</p>
<p>估计这样的状态将继续持续到下周4&#8230;</p>
<p>西安话说“累成马了”，我看差不多了&#8230;</p>
<p>不过还要再次对ECFS的其他Executives今天学期前2次会议表示道歉。的确我是无法脱身，bb坏掉了没有能及时回复大家下学期社团安排计划，也没有及时更新IT的agenda。特别是Anna，深表歉意！</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>送上朋友闲暇邮件的一篇笑文：（的确经典）</p>
<p>What a black man write to a White / 黑人给白人的一封信</p>
<p>Dear white, something you got to know 亲爱的白种人，有几件事你必须知道。<br />
When I was born, I was black. 当我出生时，我是黑色的<br />
When I grow up, I am black. 我长大了，我是黑色的<br />
When I&#8217;m under the sun, I&#8217;m black. 我在阳光下，我是黑色的<br />
When I&#8217;m cold, I&#8217;m black. 我寒冷时，我是黑色的<br />
When I&#8217;m afraid, I&#8217;m black. 我害怕时，我是黑色的<br />
When I&#8217;m sick, I&#8217;m black. 我生病了，我是黑色的<br />
When I die, I&#8217;m still black. 我死了，我仍是黑色的。<br />
you&#8212;white people, 你&#8212;白种人<br />
When you were born, you were pink. 当你出生时，你是粉红色的<br />
When you grow up, you become white. 你长大了，变成白色的<br />
You&#8217;re red under the sun. 你在阳光下，你是红色的<br />
You&#8217;re blue when you&#8217;re cold. 你寒冷时，你是青色的<br />
You are yellow when you&#8217;re afraid. 你害怕时，你是黄色的<br />
You&#8217;re green when you&#8217;re sick. 你生病时，你是绿色的<br />
You&#8217;re gray when you die. 当你死时，你是灰色的<br />
And you, call me &#8220;color&#8221;? 而你，却叫我「有色人种」？</p>
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